Monday, February 06, 2006

Disturbing

"Mortal lovers must not try to remain at the first step; for lasting passion is the dream of a harlot and from it we wake in despair." ~ C. S. Lewis

This is a two parter. First, I am disturbed by the latest series of comments left as a result of my last post, which was an observation that I made concerning the prevalence of uninhibited teen sex in America these days. The focal point of my post was these words:

"I really cannot understand anyone that could see how far this country has sunk with their own eyes and not see a problem".

And yet, I was presented with a number of statistics that appear to show the incidents of unwanted pregnancies and abortions among teens were on the decrease. If they are accurate statistics, I really don't know what to say.

But I know, when I go out and about, everywhere I go, I see teenage girls dressed like prostitutes, and acting like them in public. I see many more pregnant teens in public than I ever did 30 years ago or so. 2 weeks ago I personally met a young lady who was pregnant with her 7th kid, and she's never been married. And the abortion industry is still quite healthy in this country. I go to the mall and see and hear teenagers half dressed, hanging around with their hands all over each other, and using the most vile, paint blistering language one can imagine. My Pont is that this country has degenerated over the last few decades and I don't see how people can disagree with that statement.

I suppose the statistics don't lie, but neither do my own eyes.

I am also disturbed because a comment I left on another blog was deleted, the administrator accusing me of insensitivity. This is the background:

The post was mourning the death of a family friend, and also mourned the death of Betty Friedan, the Feminist who founded NARAL, which stands for National ABORTION Rights something. She also co-founded NOW, which also champions the so-called right for a woman to kill her baby. At the same time, I do not argue the fact that Ms. Friedan has done many good things for women.

This is my comment, as far as I can remember, about that post:

"I am sorry for your loss. My prayers are with the family. As for Betty Friedan, She co-founded NOW and founded NARAL, making her at least partially but directly responsible for the slaughter of 45 million unborn babies since the Roe vs. Wade decision. Those are the facts. I am sure that Ms Friedan had many good points as well."

I was called insensitive for stating facts. Notice I didn't say anything about Ms Friedan that wasn't true. And also notice I said she had good points as well.

Now I ask you, my friends. Is it insensitive to mourn for the murder of 45,000,000 innocent babies? It seems to me it is much more insensitive to agree that the killing of unborn babies is a reasonable alternative to birth control, or that it is a way to erase the mistakes caused by living a promiscuous lifestyle. How can someone mourn the loss of one woman who caused the deaths of so many innocents, and not say a word about all those babies?

I find that very disturbing.

2nd part.

Over the weekend, I discovered a Conservative Republican website, hosted by a most extraordinary young woman, Gabrielle Reilly. Ms Reilly is a swimsuit model, fitness guru, and a Conservative political commentator with an amazing grasp of Conservative versus Liberal ideologies. She was born in Australia, but now resides in the United States. In Kansas, as a matter of fact. She travels all over the world and discourses with national and world leaders. She is a remarkable woman.

I have added her to my "Babes I'd like to date list."

16 comments:

Trixie said...

No, you idiot. I deleted your post there because it was inappropriate for you to post a political comment in a place where I was mourning the loss of a friend who died THAT MORNING.

Would you go to a funeral and get up and spout your political nonsense? God I hope not, because if you did I'd have to take you down, and that's simply not something I want to be forced to do. It's bad enough that I have to clean your rudeness up off of my blog periodically because you are so bone-headed you don't have the good sense to know WHERE such comments should not be made.

And that is why I created another post to comment on your issues. (God knows you have so many.)

You sure have a knack for putting your foot in your mouth, Mark. If you would e-mail me your address, I would be very happy to send you a copy of Emily Post so you would know that politicizing when someone is grieving is the utmost in rudeness.

And for the record, your comment here does not include all the vile things you said on my blog, which also contributed to my decision to delete your comment.

And some unsolicited advice for you: Maybe if you stopped spending so much time looking at teen-age girls and characterizing them as prostitutes, and stopped calling women "Babes I'd Like to Date," you might have a little easier time of finding a relationship with a real woman.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

This is a two parter. First, I am disturbed by the latest series of comments left as a result of my last post, which was an observation that I made concerning the prevalence of uninhibited teen sex in America these days.

I like the 2nd part best! (^_~)

I am sorry for my insensitive comment in the last post.

I'll be back later today, to offer a more serious response.

Erudite Redneck said...

Mark, it was rude, crude, tacky and classless for you to barge into someone's grief with your "take" on Friedan. Just get some gumption, would ya?

As for what you see with your own eyes. Think of where you live. East Coast. Urban-suburban, right? Get out of there! If the country IS going to heell, it's starting there and on the West Coast.

The big regional mall six miles from my house has teeny boppers with bare midriffs, but that's about it. I don't think there are many hussies in the heartland, and the ones who are here don't seem to be as brazen.

Bottom line: Quit juding the whole damn country based on what is right in front iof you, either online or in the real world.

And holy crap, that article about the "Cuddle Puddle"? Why do you think it's omn the cover of New York magazine? BECAUSE THE ATTITUDES OF THOSE KIDS IS not THE NORM!!! "Cuddle puddle" is not a new term, by the way. Late '90s, it looks like.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Mark,

In the previous post, I do agree with Robbins, to a degree, that the sex was always there; just better kept under wraps, because there was a stigma attached; today, the stigma is to be a virgin. So, in another way, I think the fact that sex is more permissive in our society today, things are worse. And liberal attitudes have contributed to that.

In regards to abortion, there's a book out called Freakonomics that makes an interesting case tying the increase in the number of abortions to a reduction in crime. It doesn't make abortion right, but I think it is a good thing to weigh into account.

In regards to the other blog, it does sound like an unreasonable deletion, but it's her blog. So what can you do, really?

This comment moderation is the pits, btw. I don't want to repeat something already said by a commenter, without knowing it, because I can't see what's been left yet!

I too, am disturbed by teen sex. I do believe in sex education. But I don't know if the virtues of abstinence is stressed enough. And part of the problem is the liberal attitudes of the celebrities that young people look up to. Our pop culture is filled with sexual images and themes. A lot of vulgarity. The envelope gets pushed more and more, all the time. Eventually, nothing will be shocking.

What is missing from today's society, is shaming people for permissive sexual behavior at a young age.

I work with a lot of kids, and worry constantly about what kinds of pressures they go through.

You know the movie 13? The kid who wrote it and co-stars in it, I used to teach her when she was 13. I worried about her then, because of the way she dressed and because she had a very vivacious personality that could attract sickos. She also had her tongue pierced!!! What kind of parent allows that?!

It's funny that you've been posting on this topic, since last night I was up late blogging, and I had my tv on MSNBC. A Dateline special came on about internet child predators. Infuriating, depraved, and sick!

Mark said...

I deliberated for quite some time on whether to publish or reject Trixie's comment. I chose to publish it because I didn't want to sink to the level of those who delete comments of which they do not agree.

Trixie, you opened the can of worms, so I will let them out. One point at a time.

"No, you idiot"

Never once have I ever personally insulted you. Ever. And believe me, I could have.

"Would you go to a funeral and get up and spout your political nonsense?"

No, I wouldn't, and it wasn't political and it wasn't nonsense. I suggest you go to any website or any newspaper that eulogises Betty Friedan, and see if they don't also mention her "accomplishments" That is all I did.

"you are so bone-headed you don't have the good sense"

Again. I never personally insulted you.

"You sure have a knack for putting your foot in your mouth, Mark".

Yes I do. Doesn't everybody? I'll give you that one.

"If you would e-mail me your address, I would be very happy to send you a copy of Emily Post so you would know that politicizing when someone is grieving is the utmost in rudeness".

My e-mail address is in my profile information on this blog. When you say "politicizing" someone who is grieving, do you also include all the hateful rhetoric spewed by your Liberal friends immediately after Hurricane Katrina hit?

"your comment here does not include all the vile things you said on my blog,"

Since you deleted that comment, I have no way to return to that comment to see what exactly you are talking about. I recreated what I said in this post to the best of my memory. If I left something out that I said in your comments, and if it indeed was "vile" or inaccurate or mean spirited, you probably took it wrong, which is something you seem to do quite often. However, if you took it in the spirit with which it was intended and still was offended, then I apologise. It wasn't intended to offend. I have always made every effort NOT to offend you, since you seem to be offended quite easily.

Finally, "Maybe if you stopped spending so much time looking at teen-age girls and characterizing them as prostitutes, and stopped calling women "Babes I'd Like to Date," you might have a little easier time of finding a relationship with a real woman".

I do not go out looking for teenage girls, seeing them cannot be avoided without never leaving home. And I do not characterize them as prostitutes. I said, they DRESS like prostitutes, and you know there is a big difference.

As for my choice of words regarding women I'd like to date: Babes is a complimentary term, Trixie. It encompasses all positive aspects of a woman, including personality, looks, intelligence, compatibility, etc. It is only insulting to women who hear other women being called that and never get called that themselves.

And finally. I don't look for women. Thay look for me.

I note you deleted my comment so that the readers of your blog cannot go to the comments and reference that comment to ascertain for themselves whether it was indeed offensive. They have to take your word for it, don't they?

End of discussion. I will not use up my valuable time casting pearls before swine any longer. And I do not use that term metaphorically this time.

I'm sorry, but you drew first blood. I never personally insulted you up until now.

Mark said...

The comment verification was necessary as I have had it with certain trolls.

This morning when I signed on, I had 82 e-mails. 82!

about 75 of them were blogspams from a source calling himself first California House cleaning, and then Tennessee House cleaning and so on. every comment was from a different state.

So, in addition to comment moderation, I have had to add word verification. I know it sucks but what else can I do? It took me an hour to delete all the spam this morning.

That, in addition to being personally insulted by a woman who is always condescending, insulting, and sarcastic to me, made my day. Thanks, all.

By the way, Trixie, if you attempt to rebut my rebuttal, I will employ your cowardly tactic of deleting it, so don't even bother.

Unless. of course, you either apologize, or recognize that murdering babies is evil and anyone who propogates that notion is evil, also. Or both.

Timothy said...

Mark,
That babe's picture is too much for this pastor's eyes... I'm headed back to my prayer closet for much repentnace over lustful thougths...

HOpe you get to date her! But next time, post her picture with more clothes on! :-| Tongue in cheek... but truth to the comment...

Mark said...

Thanks, Timothy, but seriously, click the link to her website. She is a remarkable woman, and has common sense.

Son of Lilith said...

...so let me get this straight.

It's okay for a woman to flaunt her sexuality as long as she's a conservative of note, but when a seventeen-year old girl that shops at Hot Topic and listens to Hawthorne Heights bares her midriff and wears low-rise jeans she's a slut?

Double standard?

And yes, the lady you displayed on your blog may be older but think about this--

OLDER PEOPLE ARE ROLE MODELS.

Erudite Redneck said...

Mark, you're wrong. You were completely out of line to leave the commnet you left at Trixie's, considering the personal nature of the post. It was like a pig at a funeral. You owe her an apology for it, and for your reaction to it here. You drew first blood, sir. You were no gentleman.

It WAS boneheaded, the most recent of a long line of "tone violations" similar to KEvron's, only minus the obscene language. It was eually as obscene and profane, and the fact that you rush to defend yourself rather than gracefully acknowledge tracking mud into someone's house shows that you have no class.

Sheila said...

Mark,

You centered on Friedan and left out Mrs. King who Trixie included and honored in her passing too.

Whether or not you agreed with eithers politics, both were being added in honor of their deaths and service to this country.

At the very least, I think you jumped the gun at rolling out the type of politics you did on the very day of this epitaph.

I know your comment was a subject that is dearest to your heart because I've felt the sting myself. However, the 5 minute rule could have been well spent here.

Wait five minutes and contemplate the real motive of Trixie's post.At the very least you needed to wait a day and then add your comment in an after thought kind of way, if you felt that ardent.

Your eloquent writing reveals heart and diplomacy most of the time.

However, your temper tends to water down the the very eloquence you display.

My favorite Chef's saying. "Your Only as Good as Your Last Meal."

Sportsman like Conduct is the stuff of days gone by since 2000.

Etchen said...

Mark,
Thanks for suggesting her site--I really enjoy it! I'll keep m,=y nose out of the rest of this ordeal, but I'm with you on the "babe" part. I am a very strong minded, oppinionated woman who considers herself a feminist and I have never been offended by the word babe. In fact I think of it as sweet. (I thik it is rgiht there in the scope of words like chickie, dame, broad)

Son of Lilith said...

Babes is a complimentary term,...

Yes, but I have never heard it used to compliment anything but a woman's looks. "Sexy" may be the word you are looking for as an all-encompassing term, but that has the word "sex" in it so it's naughty.

I know I sound venomous and my comment may not be posted, but it annoys me when adults go on and on and on about a world and a culture that they do not, will not, can not understand and don't even try to. You have a teenage son Mark; that is a challenge. But I am surrounded by teens every day; I know several teens. I have played big brother to them. I have listened to their concerns and problems, and witnessed how mature they really are.

Confused, but mature.

So Mark, you have direct contact with one teen on a daily basis. I have direct contact with every teenager IN MY COMMUNITY on a daily basis, as do teachers and social workers and other youth advocates.

So forgive me for counting my opinion and their opinions a tad higher than yours.

Sheila said...

Mark,

After reading the last couple of threads, I guess I will add my two cents on our children and the latest craziness.

I really haven't seen anyone who had commented on the young men and their pressure and part in this. All I can comment on really is my own insistance of my son's treatment of young ladies.

If I did anything right it was raising a son who "Understood" the crazy way in which men of all ages tend to view us and how damaging it is, as well as damaging to MEN in the long run.

I'm sure you understand that. My education for him started out like a bootcamp of sorts on how "I" would have liked to be treated as a young girl. Then we moved to how a "Randy" young man respects a young girl who's head is screwed up by society. Then we finished off on "How to Protect" himself against a young lady who is messed up in the head by society.

My son ended up being very popular in school and highlighted by all the girls on how to treat a lady with respect.

Very rare when you see how many young women are pressured into performing any kind of sex act and its made into a casual act nowadays.

When thinking about how horrible these young women are acting, remember this.

ALL Young women are looking for the LOVE (as distorted as it has become) as they were taught and meanwhile ALL young men are looking for the sexual conquest as they were taught....

Mark said...

No, ER, go into your archives on your blog and read the comments almost anywhere where I have made a comment. Trixie almost always has some sarcastic, condescending , insulting remark about what I say. This started way back last year sometime, and up until today, I never responded to it.

As I said, she drew first blood. long long ago. I have been as gracious as I know how to be in the face of her hatefulness towards me. It ends here.

Now go back and read my response to Trixie's latest hateful condescending and insulting comment in today's thread. What I said was:

"However, if you took it in the spirit with which it was intended and still was offended, then I apologise. It wasn't intended to offend. I have always made every effort NOT to offend you, since you seem to be offended quite easily".

That surely looks like an apology to me.

I bet I don't get one for her calling me an idiot and boneheaded.

Timothy said...

Brandon,
You wrote:
know I sound venomous and my comment may not be posted, but it annoys me when adults go on and on and on about a world and a culture that they do not, will not, can not understand and don't even try to.

Listen, your generation is not all that different from ours. You have fallen into the mistake of thinking that the live you lead is somehow completely unique and separted from the human experience and life of your parent's and their generation. Realize it's not. We may not know your music, or the latest slang terms, but that doesn't make you among a completely foreing culture that somehow needs to be understood. Our experiences are not that different from yours... we just have the benefit of having some hindsight... that is where wisdom comes into play...

I love the line from Will Rogers... "Good decisions come for experience, and a lot of that, comes from bad decisions." Don't miss the opportunity to learn from those who have traveled the same road you are on now.
blessings