tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post6466107984662902781..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: An ExperimentMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-72972944528076902872007-07-22T17:05:00.000-04:002007-07-22T17:05:00.000-04:00Oh, and one more thing, Bent. If you don't like wh...Oh, and one more thing, Bent. If you don't like what I write, you are free to leave in a huff. In fact, you can leave in a minute and a huff. So go, and never darken my towels again if you want. I won't miss you.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-91906584487400429272007-07-22T17:00:00.000-04:002007-07-22T17:00:00.000-04:00Bent, I will post your comments out of respect for...Bent, I will post your comments out of respect for EL on a trial basis, mind you, but let me set you straight on some of your unfounded accusations. (apparently intellectual honesty is not one of your strong points)<BR/><BR/>First, I never suggested we Nuke the mideast. Read it again. I said "if the terrorists run amok...the President should not be questioned nor criticized should he decide to just nuke the entire Mideast." <BR/><BR/>Second, I never said my religion motivates and guides all my decisions, either. I might believe that, but you don't know that based on anything I've written in this entry. You are setting up straw men of your own. Further, you have no right to question my faith or anyone else's. <BR/><BR/>Yes, my faith makes it very clear how I am supposed to treat those who slander and attack me. My Bible says I am to shake the dust off my shoes at anyone who refuses to listen to the truth, and give you up to give account for yourself before your Creator. So, you can see, I don't deny my directions. <BR/><BR/>You say you are an agnostic. I say you are the hypocrite. Agnostics reportedly doubt the existence of a God, but you have a God. It is the God of Humanism. Do you know what a Humanist believes? Humanism is the basic idea that man is the center and the measure of all things. There is no God, man is the final arbitrator of all truth. Man is the one that's going to decide what's right, what's wrong, what's good, and what's evil, what's true, what's false. He may have caused some of his problems, but he has the capacity within himself to solve his problems. There are no absolutes. It's only what man thinks. Doesn't that pretty well describe your flawed philosophy?<BR/><BR/>That is a very fallible God if there ever was one.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I want to reiterate what I've already told Dan:<BR/><BR/>My blog was never intended to be a forum for debate, It was created so I could rant. So I don't have to answer your questions if I think you are just asking them to be argumentative, and I am highly offended not only by your unjust name calling, but also by your tacit refusal to apologize for lying about and slandering EL, LR, and me.<BR/><BR/>This is my blog. I don't track mud into your house and I won't allow you to track mud in mine.<BR/><BR/>You will be allowed to comment here for now, but I reserve the right to ban you at any time if you continue to try to create discord with lies and name calling.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-5185214880006472862007-07-22T15:08:00.000-04:002007-07-22T15:08:00.000-04:00Mark, were you really SO offended by BenT's statem...Mark, were you really <I>SO</I> offended by BenT's statement that you won't allow him to comment ever again? <BR/><BR/>It's obvious he thinks differently than we do. It's obvious Dan and ER think differently than we do. I think they're offensive, but you haven't banned them. <BR/><BR/>Please reconsider.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>No BenT I don't think people who believe differently than me should be converted to Christianity or be killed. They need to <I>become</I> Christian, but forcing someone by offering them conversion or death would fill the ranks with false converts and sow the seeds or eventual retribution. Besdies which NO ONE can be FORCED to become a Christian. In point of fact, NO ONE can BECOME a Christian unless he or she is first drawn to salvation by the Holy Spirit. Everyone who will ever come to faith in Jesus has already been given to Him by His Father... as a wedding gift perhaps. Imagine that, every Christian will one day be married to the Son of God. God has His wife in Israel, Jesus will have his in the Church.<BR/><BR/>Contrary to what the unsaved world believes, we are not Christian simply because we say so. We are Christian only if the Holy Spirit resides within us. But that's not to say Christians can't or do not do things that are inconsistant with Who lives in their heart. Everyone sins, even Christians.<BR/><BR/>But as to Hindus and Buddhists going all violent, seeking to convert the world... that's a pretty big "what-if" considering Hindus and Buddhists are perhaps the most peaceful of the non-Christian religions. And just because one Hindu speaks evilly of another country doesn't mean that country is at risk of any serious harm. <BR/><BR/>Muslims on the other hand, have shown themselves all too willing to kill themselves just to kill a few of us. That is more than simply Evil... it's deranged, and must be opposed. <BR/><BR/>When Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek he spoke to an individual's proper response to personal injustice. But that hardly applies to standing idly by while someone rapes and murders your wife and Children. Nor did Jesus' answer to personal slights apply to governments protecting their citizens from outside attack.<BR/><BR/>Radical Islam must be opposed. To just turn the other cheek is suicide.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08874712703862427318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-23608236746538463832007-07-22T10:55:00.000-04:002007-07-22T10:55:00.000-04:00This won't get posted but I will respond to your q...This won't get posted but I will respond to your questions. I don't preach atheism. An in fact I am not an atheist. I'm an agnostic. If I encourage anything in others I hope it is moderation. <BR/><BR/>It wasn't me who suggested the nuclear bombing of the mid east. Isn't that also where some of Christianity's holiest sites are?<BR/><BR/>I believe America has the right to defend itself against any and all threats. Was Saddam Husein a threat to America though? More than Kim Jong Il? More than AQ Kahn? More than Osama bin Laden?<BR/><BR/>If you're is going to say that your religion motivates and guides all their decisions then I can question your faith based on your decisions. Your faith makes it very clear how you are supposed to threat those who slander and attack you. If you flatly deny those directions I can see you no other way than as a hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-22219043398958344262007-07-22T10:43:00.000-04:002007-07-22T10:43:00.000-04:00Bent, the truth denier says, "EL Mark and the Lone...Bent, the truth denier says, "EL Mark and the Lone ranger share a striking similarity to OBL. You all believe that those with different religious beliefs from you must be either converted or killed."<BR/><BR/>That is a lie. I don't believe anyone should be killed because they are a different religion than me. Neither does EL and LR.<BR/><BR/>Jesus, whom you quoted (out of context) commands his followers to "[G]o into all the world, and preach the Gospel, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commadned you, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost", so yes, I believe those with different beliefs from mine should be converted. What's wrong with that? You obviously want to convert us to atheism. Why is it OK for you but not for others? <BR/><BR/>And I resent being compared with OBL. That is an insult to me and my friends. You are far more comparable to him than I. After all, you support terrorism with your tacit denial of America's right to defend herself. <BR/><BR/>You, sir, have overstepped your bounds. <BR/><BR/>Bent, you are no longer allowed to comment on this blog.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-12010778394301143532007-07-22T01:20:00.000-04:002007-07-22T01:20:00.000-04:00EL Mark and the Lone ranger share a striking simil...EL Mark and the Lone ranger share a striking similarity to OBL. You all believe that those with different religious beliefs from you must be either converted or killed. <BR/><BR/>EL has previously taken great pains to explain why Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh were not Christians. In fact EL has a whole list of people who even though they themselves profess to the faith, he won't accept them. But when it comes to other faiths I guess he can't grasp that sort of nuance. If some Hindu extremist somewhere says hateful things about Christianity then ALL Hindus must be in a apocalyptic struggle to destroy Christians. If some Buddhist somewhere does something violent then all Buddhists must be murderous psychopaths, and the religion must celebrate that.<BR/><BR/>Accepted other religions with the tolerance you would like your own to receive.<BR/><BR/><I>"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."</I> Matthew 5:39<BR/><BR/>Those are the words of Jesus the founder of your faith. You believe they are transcribed perfectly. If you believe that this confrontation is divinely mandated then what would Jesus have you do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-48266409021372144312007-07-21T22:16:00.000-04:002007-07-21T22:16:00.000-04:00The Lone Ranger wrote: "And what about the Philipp...The Lone Ranger wrote: <I>"And what about the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand -- every country where there is a large population of Muslims? Are our foreign policies encouraging Muslims in those countries to murder and destroy too? OR are we engaged in a battle against pure evil that must be won in order to save civilization and humanity from destruction? If you believe that Jesus is God, then you believe in Satan too. Which side of this struggle do you believe Satan is on?"</I><BR/><BR/>I'm with the Lone Ranger on this, and I choose God over Satan. Interestingly, there are countless Democrats who would happily impede my efforts to thwart the advance of Evil. So what does that say about those countless Democrats? Are they merely on the other side of the "political" fence, or are they simply on the side or Evil? Here's a hint: If you're not on God's side, you're on Satan's side... Evil's side.<BR/><BR/>Also, BenT has reduced the "invasion" to a screaming horde brandishing axes and guillotines. The invasion is already underway in Europe and it's not a 'screaming horde'... it's a muslim population that is "out-populating" the Europeans. Out populating them into submission, and already being fueled toward Jihad by radical Imams. The invasion was silent, the indoctrination is in a language few in the West understands, and the end results are fires in Paris, film makers dead in Denmark, subways bombed in London, and an oblivious EU that steadfastly refuses to recognize its Christian heritage in its own Constitution... to encourage its citizens toward the kind of faith they'll need to beat back this 21st century Moor invasion. Some countries in tenth century eastern Europe succumbed to Islam as a state religion. Even Russia was once conquered by the muslims. Think it can't happen again? <BR/><BR/>Al Qaeda was around decades prior to 9/11? Sorry, not so. Al Qaeda can only trace its roots back to 1989 in Afghanistan, a mere 4 years before the FIRST bombing of the World Trade Center... but Clinton chose to do nothing. <BR/><BR/>Rendition? Clinton used it in the 90's.<BR/><BR/>Truck bombs? 1983, Lebanon, USMC Barracks... we tucked our tails and ran home. <BR/><BR/>Dan wrote: <I>"it would be wise to figure out from what source terrorism comes and trying to deal with the problem at the root of the cause"</I><BR/><BR/>It would be wise to take them at their word... that they want to rule the world. That they want to either convert or kill all unbelievers. It would be wise to recognize that these men are twisted by evil! What kind of society is it where muslim mothers celebrate their martyr children? What kind of sick society teaches its children to hate Jews, that Matzo is made from the blood of Christians? That Jews are descended from pigs and apes? There's your source Dan. These people are being controlled by an evil ideology, which is in turn controlled by Evil himself. Wake up!<BR/><BR/>The ignorance stinking up the place here is astounding!!!Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08874712703862427318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-21014727712637907272007-07-21T19:00:00.000-04:002007-07-21T19:00:00.000-04:00"First of all, I don't give a rat's ass if the res..."First of all, I don't give a rat's ass if the rest of the world is anti-American. Most of them are socialist or Islamic nations anyway."<BR/><BR/>Don't you think though, Mark, that it would be wise to figure out from what source terrorism comes and trying to deal with the problem at the root of the cause rather than swatting at flies? <BR/><BR/>And if an anti-American mindset is contributing to terrorism (which many wise people think to be the case), then isn't that the more reasonable way of dealing with the problem? Especially as compared to nuking a region and hoping that that'll do it (but not really knowing because we haven't bothered to figure out why terrorists want to attack us)?Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-22187982106145070412007-07-21T16:13:00.000-04:002007-07-21T16:13:00.000-04:00Talk about simplistic -- to think that evil needs ...Talk about simplistic -- to think that evil needs an excuse to "spring forth." You can't bargain with evil. You can't negotiate with evil. You can't bribe evil. Never in the history of the world has diplomacy caused a brutal dictator to change his ways and embrace peace. The only way to deal with evil is to stand up to it and destroy it. <BR/><BR/>Liberals simply aren't up to the task. I understand that. Not everyone is cut out to be a hero. I don't care if they cower in a corner. As George Orwell said, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." <BR/><BR/>What baffles ME is why liberals don't just sit down and shut up. Why must they undermine every effort of their betters to fight evil on their behalf? Don't they realize that what happens to one of us will eventually happen to all of us? If you can turn a blind eye to the suffering if innocents who have to live under evil, surely you can turn a blind eye to heroes who are trying to make the world a better place. <BR/><BR/>If a single murderous regime survives the 21st century, it will be a blot on all mankind. And those who sacrifice everything they had to bring peace to the world will not be to blame.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-66577126397434741212007-07-21T15:44:00.000-04:002007-07-21T15:44:00.000-04:00When is liberty and freedom not worth the price?Wh...<I>When is liberty and freedom not worth the price?</I><BR/><BR/>When the liberty and freedom is for people who don't particularly care, and Americans are the ones paying the price.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004209843701697773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-411926250091557662007-07-21T14:48:00.000-04:002007-07-21T14:48:00.000-04:00As to the idea that OBL wants to kill or convert ...As to the idea that OBL wants to kill or convert all westerners I say, "Him and what army?" Because we have one. It's a bit distracted right now in Iraq, but you can bet if some massive wave of Islamic fundamentalists appeared over the horizon then we still have the navy and coast guard, which would be plenty to wipe the floor with OBL's ass. Don't try to scare me. I'm a real American I don't get terrorized!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-41330807447311724212007-07-21T14:45:00.000-04:002007-07-21T14:45:00.000-04:00I try to be a practical realist Mark. I try to bu...I try to be a practical realist Mark. I try to build conclusions from solid facts. <BR/><BR/>For the "surge" to work the number of average daily attacks on Americans must fall by 90%. That would get us back to were we were in June 2003. <BR/><BR/>The troop levels called for under the surge plan cannot be sustained past March 2008. There will simply be no more troops ready to rotate into the country. <BR/><BR/>The current plan isn't working and it isn't going to work. There is no way for the American military to stabilize the country. So elaborate again for me Mark how do we get from here to "winning"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-36905025341182607812007-07-21T11:49:00.000-04:002007-07-21T11:49:00.000-04:00"How can more military and confrontation lead to a..."How can more military and confrontation lead to a reduction of anti-americanism? I am not advocating for capitulating to those who hate us. I am asking if our current strategy is working and being successful."<BR/><BR/>First of all, I don't give a rat's ass if the rest of the world is anti-American. Most of them are socialist or Islamic nations anyway. If America is liked by these people, America is doing something wrong.<BR/><BR/>And if you read any factual reports instead of the daily Kos and DU, you would know the surge is working. We knew going in this wouldn't be a cakewalk and that it would take time. Bush said from the beginning this would be a long struggle, but there is definite progress.<BR/><BR/>When is liberty and freedom not worth the price? Would you have us surrender so you can enjoy the few months or years you have left before your head is separated from your body? Or will you just convert to Islam to save your own defeatist ass? <BR/><BR/>Because, you know, conversion or death is the Islamists ultimate goal for anyone who isn't Muslim. <BR/><BR/>Are you willing to sacrifice your freedom to worship at the church of your choice for a few measly years of uneasy peace?<BR/><BR/>What is victory in Iraq? An Iraqi government that can govern itself without outside help or interference.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-71359837941482262982007-07-21T10:17:00.000-04:002007-07-21T10:17:00.000-04:00What would "winning" in Iraq mean Mark? Are you w...What would "winning" in Iraq mean Mark? Are you waiting for a pro-American government? That ain't never gonna happen. Are you waiting for OBL to concede defeat? I don't think he anguishes over the deaths of his troops. What conditions signify victory in Iraq to you? How can we get to that state from where we are now? This is one of the positions conservative take that puzzles me. How can more military and confrontation lead to a reduction of anti-americanism? I am not advocating for capitulating to those who hate us. I am asking if our current strategy is working and being successful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-11828402642162805982007-07-21T07:54:00.000-04:002007-07-21T07:54:00.000-04:00Well, Mr. Unbeliever, my proposed experiment would...Well, Mr. Unbeliever, my proposed experiment would prove one side or the other right, wouldn't it?<BR/><BR/>9/11 was meticulously planned. So too, is the coming bloodbath that will ensue should we cut and run before we win the war in Iraq. Apparently, you and John Kerry are the only ones alive who still believe Muslim extremists are peaceful people.<BR/><BR/>On second thought, it wouldn't prove anything to those who refuse to admit reality.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-25152487124718918202007-07-21T02:40:00.000-04:002007-07-21T02:40:00.000-04:00The idea that if we disengaged from Iraq we'd sudd...The idea that if we disengaged from Iraq we'd suddenly be overrun with islamic suicide bombers is baffling to me. <BR/><BR/>I mean Osama Bin Laden and Al-Quaeda didn't suddenly spring forth on September 1st and perpetrate terror on the 11th. No, AQ had been in existence for decades before September 11th. And before AQ there were other terrorist groups who hated American culture and policy. Yet somehow even though the nation didn't have the shield of the PATRIOT ACT. And we weren't waging a war in another part of the globe to draw off terrorists, America was still safe. <BR/><BR/>In 1978 we didn't have a prison in Guantanamo, but no suicide bombings. In 1987 no rendition policy to countries that practice torture and no truck bombs outside shopping malls. In 1996 no homeland security department and no snipers in Manhattan. <BR/><BR/>The world didn't change on September 11th. You just saw something scary on television. It's alright to be afraid. You shouldn't let your fear make your decisions though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-35069370072068088972007-07-21T02:31:00.000-04:002007-07-21T02:31:00.000-04:00"If you believe that Jesus is God, then you believ...<I>"If you believe that Jesus is God, then you believe in Satan too. Which side of this struggle do you believe Satan is on?"</I><BR/><BR/>I imagine an evil deity would be rooting for each side to kill as many of the other as possible. I would also assume a good deity would be encouraging both sides to kill as few as possible. No which side is which I guess comes down to which side kills the most people. <BR/><BR/>A simplistic view might say that any side debating conditionally or unconditionally "nuking" and entire region of the globe would be the bad side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-70187315518261556802007-07-20T16:18:00.000-04:002007-07-20T16:18:00.000-04:00Liberals are moral and physical cowards. For all ...Liberals are moral and physical cowards. For all their posturing about being concerned for the poor and repressed, they aren't willing to lift a finger to help them if it means any sacrifice on their part. Somalia is a perfect example of that. The United States under Bush Sr. organized a military coalition with the purpose of creating a secure environment in southern Somalia for the conduct of humanitarian operations. The coalition, called Unified Task Force entered Somalia in December 1992 on Operation Restore Hope and was successful in restoring order and alleviating the famine. But then the Clinton administration took over and the operation descended into chaos. We retreated from Somalia with our tail between our legs, leaving the civilian population to be starved and enslaved. <BR/><BR/>There is no war in the world that liberals think is worth fighting. They bleat about our inaction in Darfur, but if we ever did what was necessary to clear up the situation there, it would be Iraq all over again, with liberals undermining every effort to win.<BR/><BR/>And what about the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand -- every country where there is a large population of Muslims? Are our foreign policies encouraging Muslims in those countries to murder and destroy too? OR are we engaged in a battle against pure evil that must be won in order to save civilization and humanity from destruction? If you believe that Jesus is God, then you believe in Satan too. Which side of this struggle do you believe Satan is on?Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-88586734744299738712007-07-20T12:49:00.000-04:002007-07-20T12:49:00.000-04:00For the record, EL, I never said we should nuke th...For the record, EL, I never said we should nuke the entire Middle east. I said "if the terrorists run amok...the President should not be questioned nor criticized should he decide to just nuke the entire Mideast."Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-20496446682664624062007-07-20T11:34:00.000-04:002007-07-20T11:34:00.000-04:00"It is extremely foolish to bloody a mans nose the..."It is extremely foolish to bloody a mans nose then turn your back on him." sounds a lot like "You break it,you own it."BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-91224935993791209532007-07-20T09:41:00.000-04:002007-07-20T09:41:00.000-04:00Libs DO want to cut and run... it's all they want ...Libs DO want to cut and run... it's all they want in Iraq. They are both ignorant to our losses historically, and ignorant to suggest the bad Muhammedmen will leave us alone and cease their killing of civilians when we leave.<BR/><BR/>They accuse the Bush Administration of a "Bull in a China Shop" war strategy, allowing the nation of Iraq to descend into chaos. But that's exactly what will happen-- TEN FOLD --if and when they get what they want, which is a precipitous pullout from the War on Terror. It is extremely foolish to bloody a mans nose then turn your back on him. And advocating such a policy is a colossal display of ignorance.<BR/><BR/>The ignorance of Democrats isn't that they are stupid-- they're not! No, their ignorance lies in the fact that they know full well what will happen to the region once we leave and they believe we will be better served by withdrawing anyway. That's not simply Ignorant... it's Foolish and Dangerous to boot. <BR/><BR/>Dan may well have a point about calling for the imprisonment of Liberals... and the other... but he's dead wrong if he's arguing from the belief that Democrats have the moral high-ground in this War. They do not: They ARE cowards. They are Liars. And they do it all in the name of "Political Power", NOT in the name of "Serving the Public Interest".Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08874712703862427318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-88536446343791001272007-07-18T17:14:00.000-04:002007-07-18T17:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05701766558833763752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-86282235071333656572007-07-18T07:38:00.000-04:002007-07-18T07:38:00.000-04:00"the oven thread in this is sick."Because it's oka..."the oven thread in this is sick."<BR/><BR/>Because it's okay to charge over half the nation with treason (with the implication that they should be locked up or executed - which is what happens to those who commit treason), but not point out the similarities to fascism with that thinking?Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-21190477107304408272007-07-18T00:28:00.000-04:002007-07-18T00:28:00.000-04:00Tim: Pbthththt. Hate is hate, and A-bone-a hates. ...Tim: Pbthththt. <BR/><BR/>Hate is hate, and A-bone-a hates. And so do you. You both need to reopent of it.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-40223981617267160602007-07-17T16:30:00.000-04:002007-07-17T16:30:00.000-04:00OK, the oven thread in this is sick. To charge som...OK, the oven thread in this is sick. To charge someone with treason, while a bit filled with hyperbole, is one thing. To equate that with what took place in Nazi Germany, is another all together.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05701766558833763752noreply@blogger.com