tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post6206328683511595747..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: Not Wrong YetMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-70806031004027086832007-10-06T06:38:00.000-04:002007-10-06T06:38:00.000-04:00Deborah Palfrey deserves the Pemberton Award for G...Deborah Palfrey deserves the Pemberton Award for Good Governance.<BR/>Palfrey list is like the black book of 1918.<BR/>That trial of the century is deleted from all books.<BR/>The list there had 47000 names.<BR/>The list here is 46000 phone records.<BR/>The listed are not womenizers or machos or ordinary sinners.<BR/>They are power brokers, gay lutheran agitators of all wars.<BR/>These wretches are only one dirty cover for the real pimps deep underground. <BR/>A curse on kingpins, Justice Charles Darling then and judge Adolph Kessler now. <BR/><BR/>Noel Pemberton-Billing<BR/>Trial of the Century 1918Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-45318039362588850342007-05-08T09:44:00.000-04:002007-05-08T09:44:00.000-04:00"Muddy,As I'm sure you know, Congress can pass a b..."Muddy,<BR/><BR/>As I'm sure you know, Congress can pass a bill, have enough to override a veto, and from that point, actions contrary to the mandate of the bill would be considered illegal. Yet, Congress can work towards law that many find unworkable, ill conceived or immoral. Laws don't always reflect morality. If a bill is to stop or prevent the implementation of a plan that was already in progress, to carry out the plan would be illegal even if the actions taken are moral. Killing in self-defense is an example: to kill to prevent your own murder is not itself considered murder. At one time, hiding a run-away slave was frowned upon, but wouldn't doing so be moral? So Reagan was acting in a manner he felt was righteous and proper, he considered the actions moral, and many agree. So even if his actions were technically illegal, they may still have been the right thing to do. <BR/><BR/>But another way to answer the question "...acting illegally isn't immoral?" is to say, in general, yes, but not always.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-26363955391001749392007-05-07T22:58:00.000-04:002007-05-07T22:58:00.000-04:00mudkitty, were you thinking that when Clinton was...mudkitty, were you thinking that when Clinton was in office?mom2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04208262522800271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-24969772276618891892007-05-07T13:58:00.000-04:002007-05-07T13:58:00.000-04:00Marshall, did you actually say that Reagan may hav...Marshall, did you actually say that Reagan may have acted illegally? But that acting illegally isn't immoral? <BR/><BR/>Wow. <BR/><BR/>Call me crazy. I thought we were a nation of laws, not men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-43106977939777271302007-05-06T00:57:00.000-04:002007-05-06T00:57:00.000-04:00That's exactly the problem with which I am dealing...That's exactly the problem with which I am dealing. What I know for certain is that there are two takes on the issue. What I would like to see is an objective rendering of events. Who are the principles? What did they do? What were their intentions for doing so? For example, why did the contras revolt? What type of government were they revolting against? Why did Reagan side with the contras? Why did the Democratic Congress side with the government? <BR/><BR/>Thus far, I've found only one site that seemed to provide some details without any noticable political bias, but it was very short. It only went so far. But after a few pages of google listings, I saw mostly lefty sources. If you think you have a source that is objective, I'll give it a shot. <BR/><BR/>My basic point was that just because Reagan acted against the edicts of Congress, it doesn't make his actions immoral, only illegal (if indeed it even was that).Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-65878455346446752282007-05-05T09:06:00.000-04:002007-05-05T09:06:00.000-04:00So, WHAT would be a legitimate unbiased source? I'...So, WHAT would be a legitimate unbiased source? I'm just curious what it would take.<BR/><BR/>FoxNews? They weren't reporting back then and they're not the type to investigate an old story, right? Who does that leave that you would accept as an unbiased source?Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-31370701181479404182007-05-05T01:58:00.000-04:002007-05-05T01:58:00.000-04:00Well, Dan, it's like this: there have been atroci...Well, Dan, it's like this: there have been atrocities by individuals of either side in most wars. I recall a tale of Americans executing a group of Korean civilians during the Korean War, there was the My Lai situation, there were reports of nastiness from both sides in the Civil War. Yet overall, American intent has been honorable in every war it has fought. Next, we hear an occasional soldier from this war crapping on our efforts, yet the vast majority of our people support our involvement. Finally, there are Iraq civilians, and civilians from other wars that have trashed our soldiers as butchers, but they supported the people we were fighting. <BR/><BR/>The point being, that your anecdotal stuff doesn't carry the weight you think it should for the reasons above, as well as the fact that I don't know you from Adam. All things being equal, I've no reason to doubt your sincerity, but as support for your views, such things beg for more. And yes, CNN and AMnesty Intl are decidedly left leaning orgs.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-75336825346372118892007-05-04T13:06:00.000-04:002007-05-04T13:06:00.000-04:00"But that would have required Marshall to make an ..."But that would have required Marshall to make an effort to expose himself to something other than rightwing blather."<BR/><BR/>Well, in his defense, he said he was setting aside what he considered to be Right Wing sources as well as Left Wing sources.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, if CNN or Amnesty International are "Left Wing" sources - as well as firsthand reports I've heard from people in the villages attacked by the contras! AND including the firsthand report I heard from a FORMER contra!! - what does that leave as a credible, unbiased reference?<BR/><BR/>If you eliminate everything as "biased" then it is fairly safe to say, "well no UNBIASED sources confirm what you're saying..." and that relieves you of the responsibilty to take action or form informed opinions.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00019224997786558005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-35208457881175998062007-05-04T11:29:00.001-04:002007-05-04T11:29:00.001-04:00"I'm too tired to do the research for you."LOL!"I'm too tired to do the research for you."<BR/><BR/>LOL!Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-44409442884032950492007-05-04T08:44:00.000-04:002007-05-04T08:44:00.000-04:00In other words, no, Marshall is not willing to do ...In other words, no, Marshall is not willing to do his own homework. If he had, he would have given credence to Dan's positions. But that would have required Marshall to make an effort to expose himself to something other than rightwing blather.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-5365266017145570142007-05-04T08:09:00.000-04:002007-05-04T08:09:00.000-04:00I agree with you, Marshall, that it's appropriate ...I agree with you, Marshall, that it's appropriate to provide links. The thing is, I've done it before and the links aren't adequate for you.<BR/><BR/>Whether it was CNN or Amnesty International, these were not objective enough for you. The facts are what they are and I don't think you dispute the facts (we sold weapons to Iran AND Iraq and gave support to the contras; we also mined the harbor at Corento).<BR/><BR/>What you dispute, I guess, is that all of this - while you appear to agree that it was clearly illegal - was wrong. Good luck with that.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-30874791226124190652007-05-04T05:46:00.000-04:002007-05-04T05:46:00.000-04:00So, i herd u liek me!So, i herd u liek me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-33013064354170546432007-05-04T00:21:00.000-04:002007-05-04T00:21:00.000-04:00"Should Dan do Marshall's homework for him? Or not..."Should Dan do Marshall's homework for him? Or not? "<BR/><BR/>Should Marshall give any credence to such opinions as Dan gives without Dan supporting his opinions? As I've stated more than once, I've looked for and found very little in the way of objective links regarding Iran/Contra or other "evil" activities by Reagan or his admin. Dan insists there's nothing but nastiness there. I've heard from conservative sources something much different. Thus, I've set aside that which colored MY opinion and have requested that Dan provide for his. I'm not about to wade through countless links from obviously left-wing sources. I already know what they believe about the issue. But since Dan brought it up, again, it's only proper that he support it. But apparently, he chooses to believe that I will automatically reject his source. It's either a lefty source, or he's being judgemental. He should be a standup guy and admit one or the other, or, take a chance a provide the source(s). <BR/><BR/>Hey, it's only fair. I try to do as much for my positions. If I'm stating my humble opinion, I tend to say as much. Otherwise, I try to provide a link in anticipation of counterpoint. Case in point, Mark's other blog. I made a statement and presented it as my belief and admitted I had no support. Dan, merely rejected my statement and I was cool with it since I was only stating what I thought was correct. Now, Dan makes statements about Reagan and I ask for support and get nothing but crap. Thus, I must assume his opinion is unsupportable lefty drivel. <BR/><BR/>It's similar to Mud's cracks about Gingrich. She provided no support for the charge regarding the alleged divorce scene at the hospital where his wife was laid up. It's a charge I've often heard, but never heard anything to support it. <BR/><BR/>I guess what it means is, it's cool if I say that Dan likes to wet himself and Muddy likes stompin' on puppies. If anyone wants proof, they'll have to look it up themselves, because apparently it isn't up to the accuser. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Life is now a little easier.<BR/><BR/>OK. I'm done with this off topic rant. Thanx for listening.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-64116469091790462642007-05-03T13:55:00.000-04:002007-05-03T13:55:00.000-04:00"any personal opinion on the motives and actions o..."any personal opinion on the motives and actions of the Reagan Administration by you are decidely worthless, as they are tainted by your obvious bias."<BR/><BR/>Well, as I've stated several times, I was a Reagan supporter. It was reading about his and his administration's behavior that made me reject his idea of morality. But that sort of blows away your "bias" theory, doesn't it?<BR/><BR/>Or, are you saying that it was my bias IN FAVOR of Reagan that caused me to find his actions immoral? But then, that would make no sense...<BR/><BR/>Any source I'll give you will be considered "tainted" and "biased," so I'll not bother. Read the facts of the case or not. It's your responsibility for whom you support or not and you'll have to answer for it.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00019224997786558005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-71533800722711607182007-05-03T11:00:00.000-04:002007-05-03T11:00:00.000-04:00Actually Marshall, why don't you just do your own ...Actually Marshall, why don't you just do your own homework? <BR/><BR/>Why don't you just go do what a good parent tells a child to do..."look it up." Wouldn't hurt you, you know. <BR/><BR/>Should Dan do Marshall's homework for him? Or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-75031270396018846142007-05-03T09:32:00.000-04:002007-05-03T09:32:00.000-04:00Dan,"I'm too tired to do the research for you."Wel...Dan,<BR/><BR/>"I'm too tired to do the research for you."<BR/><BR/>Well, rest up, buddy. As I stated, I've not found any objective links as yet. Apparently, you have none either. Thus, any personal opinion on the motives and actions of the Reagan Administration by you are decidely worthless, as they are tainted by your obvious bias. If one is to judge another, and then seek to present one's opinion on the matter to others, some kind of support is helpful, if not required. It isn't enough to say what Reagan did. It's easy to sit back as an observer and pretend to have a lock on the right and wrong of it without being in his chair. Yeah, the Dems worked against him, but why? Does their actions determine whether or not Reagan's actions were moral or just legal? David was wrong legally for taking food meant for the priests, but he wasn't wrong morally. Were we wrong to side with Stalin against the Nazis?Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-57400221764499095742007-05-02T14:04:00.000-04:002007-05-02T14:04:00.000-04:00Brian Ross gives me the creeps. The way Ross handl...Brian Ross gives me the creeps. <BR/><BR/>The way Ross handled the Mark Foley thing and the IM chats was so weird. <BR/><BR/>It's no surprise that ABC is teasing its audience.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149784619342993569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-43818656187904474312007-05-02T10:40:00.000-04:002007-05-02T10:40:00.000-04:00Dan - are we the people, and our leaders so stupid...Dan - are we the people, and our leaders so stupid as to not recognize blow back? Either when it happens or when it's being created. <BR/><BR/>A temporary fix on a problem, such as Iran, by creating a worse problem down the line, is not successful leadership. Which is what happened when Reagan and Rummy propped up Saddam in power. <BR/><BR/>*****<BR/><BR/>What to do now? Well, for starters, you don't let the people who screwed things up in the first place, claim that they are the only ones who can fix it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-63955397734728339802007-05-02T10:36:00.000-04:002007-05-02T10:36:00.000-04:00Oh, and I don't recall any of you not jumping to c...Oh, and I don't recall any of you not jumping to conclusions whenever Bill Clinton's penis was concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-38092415839167600452007-05-02T07:09:00.000-04:002007-05-02T07:09:00.000-04:00When I first heard about this story the quote from...When I first heard about this story the quote from "Casablanca" where Louie was closing Rick's Cafe came to mind, "I'm shocked, to see gambling here.' Here's your winning sir."<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I'm a little surprised that congress hasn't legalized prostitution in the district, at least for politicians.<BR/><BR/>If anyone's guilty prosecute them, otherwise I don't want to hear it. The way the news is getting it becoming more and more like Greek Mythology where it's just a cult of personality and where the voyeristic attitudes of this country just keep wanting more sensational stories to enterain us. There is something wrong when real news programs are covering American Idol.<BR/><BR/>I'm taking the same stance with steriods in baseball I just don't care who did what. If their guilty prosecute them and punitsh them to the full extent of the law. It's not like it's some shady deal on a arms appropriation committee, a shaky land deal, crooked dealings with a savings and loan, or writing bad checks. When they are convicted just tell us until then I don't care.DAKOTARANGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549098186484275715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-56802891499886833082007-05-01T22:29:00.000-04:002007-05-01T22:29:00.000-04:00I'm too tired to do the research for you. It's no ...I'm too tired to do the research for you. It's no secret that Reagan's administration sold weapons to Iraq. We supported Saddam because Iran was the "bad guys."<BR/><BR/>But then, because the Reagan administration - or people therein - "needed" money to sponsor the terrorists/contras in Nicaragua, we also illegally sold weapons to Iran!<BR/><BR/>And THEN those players gave that money to Contras. They had to do this because Congress had told Reagan that he could no longer support the Contras because of the reports of terroristic actions. So, Ollie North sold weapons and gave support to these contras. (Google Iran Contra Bolan Amendment).<BR/><BR/>Additionally, the CIA mined the harbor at Corento, for which a World Court found us guilty of war crimes, which Reagan promptly ignored - NOT because we didn't do it (no one denies that) but because the Reaganites placed the US above the law.<BR/><BR/>It's all a matter of record.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-64169363229591326322007-05-01T19:24:00.000-04:002007-05-01T19:24:00.000-04:00Liam,Worked up? Hardly. For me at least, this is...Liam,<BR/><BR/>Worked up? Hardly. For me at least, this is a slow news issue, just perfect for mocking the other side. At the same time, typical partisan dynamics are indeed in play. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that ABC was quicker to divulge negative news about conservatives and wait to be perfectly sure before releasing damaging info regarding the left. It's a given.<BR/><BR/>Plus, it's not a stretch to believe that one who is unethical in one's personal life might be prone toward unethical behavior in public life. It's all part of the package regarding an individual's character. I know that's not important to some, but it is to many.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-61932907279969673972007-05-01T19:02:00.000-04:002007-05-01T19:02:00.000-04:00Dan,It was actually a dig at your use of the King'...Dan,<BR/><BR/>It was actually a dig at your use of the King's English.<BR/><BR/>You said, "these people are NOT any more honorable" and then said the evidence showed the opposite to be true. Get it?<BR/><BR/>However, you've only stated what you believe to be true. Do you have any objective links to support your stuff? We've touched on it in the past regarding the contra thing, but a cursory search found a less than convincing piece. Of course there were tons of left leaning sources, so I didn't bother with them. Thus far it seems you're hanging your hat on the legality of the Reagan Admin's dealings as opposed to the morality of it. So objective sources would be helpful.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-55771979781594054992007-05-01T18:07:00.000-04:002007-05-01T18:07:00.000-04:00We will likely know soon enough:"The "DC Madam lis...We will likely know soon enough:<BR/>"The "DC Madam list" now resides in the hands of the ABC correspondent, Brian Ross, who released this:<BR/><BR/>Also on Palfrey’s list of customers who could be potential witnesses are a Bush administration economist, the head of a conservative think tank, a prominent CEO, several lobbyists and a handful of military officials.” <BR/><BR/>A full report is planned for Friday’s edition of 20/20. <BR/>....according to one internet source.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-22645400152335437232007-05-01T17:08:00.000-04:002007-05-01T17:08:00.000-04:00Gee, you guys get so worked up over anything you c...Gee, you guys get so worked up over anything you can divide down party lines and have a mud-slinging match over. It doesn’t matter if they’re liberal or conservative; they are men. At the end of the day there will be just as many democrats in the book as republicans. Stop agonising about what politicians do when they’re out of the office and start caring about things that actually matter to real people!Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992032099109290541noreply@blogger.com