tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post114786530613359048..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: Burden Of ProofMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1148226443053657402006-05-21T11:47:00.000-04:002006-05-21T11:47:00.000-04:00Sheila and Liam (and Jim and Jamie), sorry I vacat...Sheila and Liam (and Jim and Jamie), sorry I vacated <A HREF="http://leftfieldperspectives.blogspot.com/2006/05/latest-non-issue.html" REL="nofollow">the earlier thread.</A><BR/><BR/>I was a bit blogged-out and had to take a break from all blogs and blogging. I even took a bit of break from the regular news cycle. It was a good discussion, and just wanted to let you know I appreciated the exchange. I did address a couple of points there.The WordSmith from Nantuckethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15937868119894243815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147972947811659772006-05-18T13:22:00.000-04:002006-05-18T13:22:00.000-04:00Come on guys: Fact checking is essential in any di...Come on guys: Fact checking is essential in any discussion. If you aren’t certain of the facts then it’s just ‘garbage in, garbage out.’<BR/><BR/>That said, I can see how Tug’s frustrations could come about. Many blogs in this corner of the blogosphere seem to revolve around the taunting, denigration and verging on irrational hatred of <I>‘The Other Side’</I>; actual facts don’t seem to come into it a lot. Both ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’ are guilty of this. Sheila is busily baiting conservatives in her comments on this post and Mark is guilty of the same in his latest post, <I>Democrat Dictionary</I>.<BR/><BR/>The last time I saw such absolute refusal to deal with another person’s point of view, rather than dehumanise and fight them, was watching a documentary where Catholics and Protestants each described what they thought of the other community during ‘The Troubles’ in Ireland. Trust me; that is a road you do not want to go down.Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992032099109290541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147960222718503752006-05-18T09:50:00.000-04:002006-05-18T09:50:00.000-04:00Hi ALL:Daffy here's a look at INNOCENT until PROVE...Hi ALL:<BR/>Daffy here's a look at <A HREF="http://ancientclown.blogspot.com/2006/05/innocent-until-proven-guilty.html" REL="nofollow">INNOCENT until PROVEN Guilty</A>. And here's a look at some of that <A HREF="http://ancientclown.blogspot.com/2006/05/911-what-they-dont-want-you-to-know.html" REL="nofollow">PROOF</A> from the get go...continuing to lie about a situation to gather information, add new rules, or anything else is STILL just propogating the LIE.<BR/>THIS is <A HREF="http://ancientclown.blogspot.com/2006/03/cain-abel.html" REL="nofollow">mankind's history</A>...LIES..LIES..LIES.<BR/><BR/>Who discovered America for instance? <BR/>I was taught in school it was Columbus who discovered a nation FULL of people that had already been trading for centuries with the NORSE.<BR/>So who was it again? And how RELIABLE is your source?<BR/>I don't think I know..I just know I'm thinking.<BR/>your humble servant,<BR/>Ancient Clown<BR/><BR/>p.s. In case people are not aware, there is a BIG difference between a rule & a <A HREF="http://ancientclown.blogspot.com/2006/03/law-of-life-ab.html" REL="nofollow">LAW</A>. Man makes rules not LAWS.ancient clownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065576544187661965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147941161804935652006-05-18T04:32:00.000-04:002006-05-18T04:32:00.000-04:00Jim, once again I ask that you find one American c...Jim, once again I ask that you find one American citizen, just one, that has been arrested, detained, or otherwise violated by the NSA's collecting of lists of phone calls made. <BR/><BR/>Seems to me if Americans are being "Damaged", as you put it, you could find someone that fills the bill.<BR/><BR/>But in actuallity, the eventual damage caused by terrorists upon our soil, because the Democrats tied the NSA's hands, will be far worse than just embarrassing a few Democrats.<BR/><BR/>And a heckuva lot more permanent, too.<BR/><BR/>You want to be the one to tell the next victims' families that their privacy is more important than their security? Unless you are willing to stand before them and justify allowing terrorists to strike America at will, perhaps you should rethink your position.<BR/><BR/>And exactly how is this adnministration incompetent? How do you measure incompetence? By the number and ferocity of attacks on America since 9/11 by Islamic Jihadists? <BR/><BR/>Oh that's right. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY! Is that your idea of incomptence? if it is, I shudder to think what would have happened if Kerry had been elected. <BR/><BR/>America could quite possibly be flying the French flag (white on white on a field of white) from the flagpoles all over our counrty now.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147940114850232922006-05-18T04:15:00.000-04:002006-05-18T04:15:00.000-04:00Sheila, you said, "If you met me on the street, yo...Sheila, you said, "If you met me on the street, you would never know."<BR/><BR/>Yes we would. You're the one wearing the Kerry-Edwards button!<BR/><BR/>LOL!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147927262414817832006-05-18T00:41:00.000-04:002006-05-18T00:41:00.000-04:00The difference in this case, Mark, is that the one...The difference in this case, Mark, is that the ones who may have been damaged are the American People. The American People are represented by the Justice Department (supposedly). Problem is, the NSA and the administration will not grant security clearances to THEIR OWN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT so that the DOJ can actually investigate the charges.<BR/><BR/>So you are asking the people to what? Hire private attorneys to ALSO not be able to have any way to examine the evidence?<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and then there is the Congress who have the Constitutional duty to perform oversight of the government action, but then they are Republics, too, so ain't no Congressional investigatioins going on.<BR/><BR/>So I guess the American People are SOL when it comes to knowing whether or not they are being damaged.<BR/><BR/>But we should just trust an administration of incompetents, I suppose.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004209843701697773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147921081508799782006-05-17T22:58:00.000-04:002006-05-17T22:58:00.000-04:00Mark, you are indeed on a roll.Glad to see you com...Mark, you are indeed on a roll.<BR/><BR/>Glad to see you coming out swinging again.<BR/><BR/>I have been having similar problems over at my place lately. A commentor posts a comment about my post, I counter him, and soon I find myself looking up articles to support my position on every single subject from Abortion to Yellow Cake Uranium, to the Legality of Fighting Worldwide Terrorism, to Religion, to you name it.<BR/><BR/>My opponent will post all manner of exagerations and accusations against anyone who might lean even a little to the Right, and when I cut off the attack in order to regain my own forum for myself, I am called a Coward, and a Fraud, and the other side claims Victory, even though they have proven nothing.<BR/><BR/>I have decided to delete ridiculous comments from now on, and I alone wil be the judge of what is ridiculous and what is not.<BR/><BR/>Anyone and everyone is free to set up their own Blog, and post whatever they want there. If anyone is interested in what they have to say, then they are free to go there and read it.<BR/><BR/>I am under no obligation whatsoever to provide a forum for anyone else, whether they agree with me or not.<BR/><BR/>Neither are you. Any of you.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147920230314886742006-05-17T22:43:00.000-04:002006-05-17T22:43:00.000-04:00This might help.www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.or...This might help.<BR/><BR/>www.westpointgrads<BR/>againstthewar.org/Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147918395317086912006-05-17T22:13:00.000-04:002006-05-17T22:13:00.000-04:00See what I mean? Every liberal "debate" ends up t...See what I mean? Every liberal "debate" ends up the same way -- with the liberal attacking and name-calling. I really don't have the patience for that nonsense. End of discussion. Move along, people. Nothing to see here.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147908558683504762006-05-17T19:29:00.000-04:002006-05-17T19:29:00.000-04:00Mark, you should go to law school, you'd be one he...Mark, you should go to law school, you'd be one hell of an attorney!! What's that saying, um..... oh yeah, throw the ball back in their court, chances are they'll swing, miss and run away crying! Okay, I kinda made that up, but it works for me!Pamela Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061106944328655148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147902299570345282006-05-17T17:44:00.000-04:002006-05-17T17:44:00.000-04:00Well, thank you for the generous ego-massage there...Well, thank you for the generous ego-massage there Mark!<BR/><BR/>Actually the British legal system is not that dissimilar from the American one. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution here too. The reason I asked you to post the link was that you had said <I>“It has been established conclusively that no law has been broken,”</I> so I assumed you had something handy.<BR/><BR/>Oh my, Lone Ranger, what a low opinion you have of people who don’t share your outlook! When someone claims authority in a heated discussion like this one, I usually like to check their sources to make sure that neither of us is the victim of Internet hyperbole. If you go back to <A HREF="http://leftfieldperspectives.blogspot.com/2006/05/lawsuit-to-help-terrorists.html" REL="nofollow">the post that Mark is referring to</A>, you’ll see that I did check out the references quoted both for and against and came to the conclusion that Mark was right.<BR/><BR/>People may not carry a reference library around in their pocket, but most people are sitting in front of the biggest one on the planet while they are commenting on a blog. If someone really <I>is</I> certain of their facts then they should be able to either reel a reference off the top of their heads, or produce one after a bit of googling to find the authoritative source. If someone can’t do that, then they deserve the embarrassment when called on it.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I am happy to be challenged also if you think I may not have done my research thoroughly...Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992032099109290541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147901326316305272006-05-17T17:28:00.000-04:002006-05-17T17:28:00.000-04:00"The word is"--sheilaThat's a big problem real Ame..."The word is"--sheila<BR/><BR/>That's a big problem real America has with the left. They take "the word is" and if it is against Bush or the right in general, it is automatically confirmed fact. All these accusations about Bush and the war in its varied forms are nothing more than just what "sheila" said--an instance of "the word is".<BR/><BR/>Kinda like Karl Rove's imminent indictment that hasn't happened.Al-Ozarkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034820391347139672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147885428578710122006-05-17T13:03:00.000-04:002006-05-17T13:03:00.000-04:00I agree!!I agree!!Dionnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05013166054883351020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147882086056669372006-05-17T12:08:00.000-04:002006-05-17T12:08:00.000-04:00I'm sorry, but since you haven't been able to prov...I'm sorry, but since you haven't been able to provide me with a specific quote of my "crap" it means you don't know what you're talking about. Hey, I'm just playing by your rules. What's your source? What's your source? What's your source? Before I state my CONVICTIONS (I don't have opinions) I make sure I am fully informed. I do, after all, work in a newsroom. There are still a few journalists who write facts, not opinions. We could both watch those hearings and come up with totally different conclusions because we base them on totally different world views. Perhaps you should read <A HREF="http://importantstuffornot.blogspot.com/2006/05/presidents-immigration-speech-for.html" REL="nofollow">my take</A> on the President's immigration speech. Since you disagree with me, you might find yourself in the uncomfortable position of siding with Bush.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147872207295155092006-05-17T09:23:00.000-04:002006-05-17T09:23:00.000-04:00Any time you want to quote "the same crap" from me...Any time you want to quote "the same crap" from me, Sheila, I'd be happy to clear it up for you. In other words, what's your source for that statement?Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147868737250014372006-05-17T08:25:00.000-04:002006-05-17T08:25:00.000-04:00Sheila, sorry about the comment moderation. I had ...Sheila, sorry about the comment moderation. I had a comment from an anonymous source yesterday that was extremely insulting to me personally, and had nothing to do with the post, plus it included personal information about me. Obviously someone who thinks they know me better than they do. At any rate< I can't have people doing stuff like that here. Hence, comment moderation has had to be re-enabled.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147868514511615802006-05-17T08:21:00.000-04:002006-05-17T08:21:00.000-04:00You read my mind, Mark. I started to comment on t...You read my mind, Mark. I started to comment on the exact same thing yesterday. Then I decided I didn't have time to jump into the fray.<BR/><BR/>I am amazed at how often the principle that one is "innocent until proven guilty" is forgotten. You can see blatant examples of this all over the media. Perhaps the most frustrating one to me recently is the Duke Lacrosse Team scandal. The boys indicted in this trial have had their pictures all over the newspapers for weeks while their accuser hasn't even had to give her name. The evidence is so minimal in this case it isn't even funny. But that doesn't stop news organizations from tarnishing the names of these young men. Until they are convicted of something, I wish the media would leave them alone.Daffy76https://www.blogger.com/profile/01410962054554919573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1147867518383050822006-05-17T08:05:00.000-04:002006-05-17T08:05:00.000-04:00That's an old dodge liberals use to "win" argument...That's an old dodge liberals use to "win" arguments. When you make a point, they demand to know your source, as though they're going to go check it out for themselves. Since the average person doesn't carry around a reference library in his hip pocket, they smugly walk away, believing they have made a point. It's their fantasy world. It won't hurt to humor them.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.com