tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post114284412177887307..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: How Has The War Changed Us?Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1143088584622110752006-03-22T23:36:00.000-05:002006-03-22T23:36:00.000-05:00"Torture?" Yeah right! Does the guy even know what..."Torture?" Yeah right! Does the guy even know what the word means?<BR/><BR/>We've got multiple sources from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty Interntational, the paragons of liberal virtue when they talk about Gitmo, documenting torture, and political killings in Venezuela and the lefties just ignore it.<BR/><BR/>Real torture they don't care. Benevolent treatment of psychotic killers and they go into a rage.Mike's Americahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01262938295909490454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142956158483381752006-03-21T10:49:00.000-05:002006-03-21T10:49:00.000-05:00LR, just matchin' lameness with lameness. I have p...LR, just matchin' lameness with lameness. <BR/><BR/>I have proven myself capable of changing my mind. Mark, too, although rarely. I've never seen any suggestion of that from yerself. I've no interest in full engagement with a fence post.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142955548186234882006-03-21T10:39:00.000-05:002006-03-21T10:39:00.000-05:00Fritz, don't confuse the political Kerry with the ...Fritz, don't confuse the political Kerry with the human Kerry. I really do believe he loves his country, and if he was in the position where he would have to decide whether to defend the country or to surrender, I think he would make the right decision.<BR/><BR/> Call it an unreasonable optimism, but I think any American would make a decision that is best for the country if it were up to him, even Kerry. <BR/><BR/>Think about it. He volunteered to go to Viet Nam. He might have gone there to intentionally set himself up for an eventual presidential run, but he was taking his life in his hands for his country, nevertheless, and you can't simply dismiss that fact out of hand. <BR/><BR/>Even President Bush acknowledged Kerry's service to his country during the presidential campaign, and thanked him for his service. In fact, that was the display of integrity that convinced me of President Bush's sincerity.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142953969919850012006-03-21T10:12:00.000-05:002006-03-21T10:12:00.000-05:00The old,"that remark doesn't deserve a response" d...The old,"that remark doesn't deserve a response" dodge. Pretty lame.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142946673126875352006-03-21T08:11:00.000-05:002006-03-21T08:11:00.000-05:00Mark,Kerry is no leader, he is a consensus followe...Mark,<BR/>Kerry is no leader, he is a consensus follower. After the 2004 elections, what day did he pick to return to public view? January 30th, the day of the first Iraqi election. He was in a very foul mood because it was successful rather than a bloodbath for him to say I told you so. He is a political opportunist not a leader, and that was before he was for leadership, after he looked to France for direction.Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09551356233624437730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142919205458340722006-03-21T00:33:00.000-05:002006-03-21T00:33:00.000-05:00LR said:" It has shown us the extent to which cowa...LR said:<BR/>" It has shown us the extent to which cowardly liberals have sissified America."<BR/><BR/>People are living in fear, this much is true. Some have been engulfed by the fear to such a degree that they are willing to set aside liberties held precious by us for many years. Others are so held by fear that they are willing to commit atrocities in order to try to feel safer.<BR/><BR/>Others still are willing to follow a leader down dubious paths to try to squash whomever he labels as "bad guys" in order to give us some comfort, even if those being squashed include children and apparently innocent civilians.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Lone Ranger, fear can be a bad thing when it causes us to abandon common sense and morality (there's the nasty word again) and too often makes for poor policy-making.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142913413348516782006-03-20T22:56:00.000-05:002006-03-20T22:56:00.000-05:00"Whenever we torture prisoners, whether or not it'..."Whenever we torture prisoners, whether or not it's 'as bad' as what they're doing, we become torturers."<BR/><BR/>Amen, Dan.<BR/><BR/>That whole first long graf of LR's is so full of delusion, it, too, is not worthy of skewering. Sheesh.<BR/><BR/>Moral bankruptcy? Hell, there's a Great Depression of Moral Bankruptcy in this country, and it started with George W. Bush's election.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142899704523254272006-03-20T19:08:00.000-05:002006-03-20T19:08:00.000-05:00How has the war changed the US? It has shown us t...How has the war changed the US? It has shown us the extent to which cowardly liberals have sissified America. It has shown us the total moral bankruptcy of liberalsm. It has shown that an increasing number of Americans no longer jump at the chance to liberate people in a repressive foreign country. It has shown the extent to which Democrats hate democracy, trying to find ways to undermine, betray and oust a duly elected President rather than beat him at the ballot box. The very nature of the question tells us that liberals don't know the meaning of sacrifice. They are not willing to do anything unless it benefits them. I didn't see any protests when Saddam was throwing children in jail, when rape rooms and torture chambers were in operation, when people were being pushed off buildings or having their tongue or limbs chopped off, when mass graves were being filled. The war has shown us the hypocracy of the left. <BR/><BR/>But it has also shown us that America still has hope. The military is still reaching its recruiting goals. Despite the lies of the media, young troops are still expressing their pride of service, of being a part of history instead of just reading about it and complaining about it in pseudo-intellectual debates. The war has shown us that we are still a people who are willing to defend the defenseless -- even if some of them don't appreciate our help. It has shown us that we are still the greatest, most courageous most selfless country in the history of the world -- despite the cowards who live among us.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142887702916348672006-03-20T15:48:00.000-05:002006-03-20T15:48:00.000-05:00"The publics sour mood with the effort in Iraq is ..."The publics sour mood with the effort in Iraq is a direct result of failure of Democratic Party leadership."<BR/><BR/>You people can keep saying ridiculous stuff like that, reading our minds to know what we think and what we believe - despite what we tell you we believe - but it won't change reality.<BR/><BR/>The reality is, the public is soured on Iraq for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that it was - depending upon who you ask - wrong, immoral, ridiculous, deceptive or criminal to begin with.<BR/><BR/>And Mark, understand this: When we kill the innocent, whether we mean to or not, we become the enemy. Whenever we torture prisoners, whether or not it's "as bad" as what they're doing, we become torturers.<BR/><BR/>Bush and you can think we're the good guys all you want but that won't change perception. The only reality are our actions. Killing innocent people, torturing prisoners - either we're against it or we're supporting it. It's pretty clear-cut for most of the world.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142883638307875992006-03-20T14:40:00.000-05:002006-03-20T14:40:00.000-05:00Thanks, Gayle. Actually I already did comment over...Thanks, Gayle. Actually I already did comment over at his place. I don't argue, tho. I simply stated my opinion. He can take it for what it's worth to him. I. Don't. Care.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142883245404767982006-03-20T14:34:00.000-05:002006-03-20T14:34:00.000-05:00I agree with you, Mark, but I will save myself the...I agree with you, Mark, but I will save myself the headache of arguing with any liberals commenting here. The reason I don't argue with them is because they keep bringing up the same old standard arguing points; all points that make absolutely no sense to me. I don't argue with rocks either.<BR/><BR/>Excellent post. I would suggest you don't argue with the Moonbat on his post either. Unless you enjoy giving yourself a headache. You will not get anywhere. :)Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540710405153666843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142880012137736502006-03-20T13:40:00.000-05:002006-03-20T13:40:00.000-05:00Sheila,you said, "What I would dearly love to see ...Sheila,you said, "What I would dearly love to see is a country more actively engaged like we were in WWII. That would help the country a lot. We are not sacrificing and getting actively involved and so we're going to have a lot of dissention."<BR/><BR/>Now that I agree with. <BR/><BR/>Fritz, you said, "The moral hazard of a Kerry Presidency for Iraq would have been disastrous. ... Kerry would have had a free pass on any action he took and any failure of policy would have been blamed on Bush 43."<BR/><BR/>I disagree with that, although with reservations. Kerry, and Gore, et al did not attain their present positions in the Government without being a leader. And leaders, in times of National security crises, lead.<BR/><BR/>ER, I have no idea what particular statements I made that you are referring to. I see very few positives in Democrats seeking to hinder the war effort with their baseless allegations of mismanagement and intentional falsehoods against Bush.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142876405165810502006-03-20T12:40:00.000-05:002006-03-20T12:40:00.000-05:00Sheila,A litany of hypotheticals in hind sight doe...Sheila,<BR/>A litany of hypotheticals in hind sight doesn't make you right. If the Johnson Administration could have had the current scenario in 1968 that we have today in Iraq, Nixon would have not been President. The publics sour mood with the effort in Iraq is a direct result of failure of Democratic Party leadership. What has changed in our Democracy, the Democratic Party's fall from power has left it without winning policy advocacy, to resort to attacking the credibility of the majority Party. <BR/><BR/>Mark,<BR/>The moral hazard of a Kerry Presidency for Iraq would have been disastrous. Did you know that Clinton blamed the Blackhawk Down incident on Bush 41? Kerry would have had a free pass on any action he took and any failure of policy would have been blamed on Bush 43.Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09551356233624437730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142875920225624242006-03-20T12:32:00.000-05:002006-03-20T12:32:00.000-05:00Mark, your self-imposed blindess and willingness t...Mark, your self-imposed blindess and willingness to believe the best when confronted with the worst are astounding. And it's not worth "skewering."Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142863461055816882006-03-20T09:04:00.000-05:002006-03-20T09:04:00.000-05:00Dan. I don't believe we are torturing prisoners. A...Dan. I don't believe we are torturing prisoners. At least, not when you compare our treatment of them with their treatment of us. They saw off the heads of innocent civilians and shoot unarmed people in the head while their hands are tied.<BR/><BR/>We feed them Islam approved food and furnish them with Korans and allow them however much time they require to worship their God, while they callously torture and kill innocent men women and children for being Christian or Jewish.<BR/><BR/>I read an article recently that said the prisoners in Guantanamo don't want to be released. They are treated better there than they would be by their own people.<BR/><BR/>Dan, understand this:<BR/><BR/>WE ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142862593245671302006-03-20T08:49:00.000-05:002006-03-20T08:49:00.000-05:00Sheila, I am not sure what question I asked to ili...Sheila, I am not sure what question I asked to ilicit that response, but I can't speak to whether the military is right or wrong. I can't speak to whether the military is being mismanaged. But publicly, the party that is being the least supportive of the troops is the Democrats, not the Republicans. Perhaps the reason the administration has mishandled this, if they have, is because the Democrats constant criticism of the administration has caused them to move more cautiously than they should. <BR/><BR/>I can speak to the question posed to me. How has the war changed us? Well, apparently it has caused division between Americans. Perhaps that's the real purpose of the insurgency in Iraq. To create chaos and division. <BR/><BR/>The way I see it, the biggest obstacle we have right now to finishing this thing and defeating the terrorists is all this infighting and dissension. You have said it yourself. The psychological BS that happens when you don't see support at home has to have an adverse effect on our troops. <BR/><BR/>That isn't right. <BR/><BR/>No one one likes war, and no one likes dissension among ourselves.<BR/><BR/>And I thank you for your service.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1142861498549414222006-03-20T08:31:00.000-05:002006-03-20T08:31:00.000-05:00"The military deserves to be skewered? Oh yeah, he..."The military deserves to be skewered? Oh yeah, he supports the troops."<BR/><BR/>Your writer said that they deserve to be skewered for supporting torture and it is absolutely true, I'm sure you'll agree, that any military leadership or individuals that support torture DO deserve to be skewered.<BR/><BR/>Where you and he/we probably part paths is you apparently believe that Bush and his military leadership aren't supporting/encouraging/using torture and the rest of us simply don't trust Bush that far. We think, given the evidence, that Bush and his cabal are using torture against our laws.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.com