tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post112999235788145751..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: Intelligence vs EducationMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-48616412494572718732009-03-16T08:24:00.000-04:002009-03-16T08:24:00.000-04:00No. I don't think so. Intelligence has to do with ...No. I don't think so. Intelligence has to do with the capacity to learn and/or think. We certainly have more knowledge than in Biblical times. But then again, maybe not. Do we know how to weave, or make fishing nets, or make tents strong enough for people to live in? Do we know how to thrash wheat? Do we really know Jesus the way we are supposed to, and not the way religious leaders tell us? I admit to much ignorance in that regard.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-16241929787389207752009-03-16T05:48:00.000-04:002009-03-16T05:48:00.000-04:00That brings us to another question: Are we more in...That brings us to another question: Are we more intelligent compared to people who lived in the times of Jesus? We have more technology today. We know more about the universe, the human body etc. But I doubt we are more intelligent than the average person then. What do you think?L. Venkata Subramaniamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013877791567403788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130209453532147462005-10-24T23:04:00.000-04:002005-10-24T23:04:00.000-04:00Lone, or, er, Ranger, what you wrote says more abo...Lone, or, er, Ranger, what you wrote says more about broadcast "journalism" than you probably intended. ... Oh, and aren't you in D.C., or thereabouts? That's a six-figure town. Whoopee.<BR/>--ERErudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130176562345366982005-10-24T13:56:00.000-04:002005-10-24T13:56:00.000-04:00Bush just proves that education doesn't equal inte...Bush just proves that education doesn't equal intelligence.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130145497870233252005-10-24T05:18:00.000-04:002005-10-24T05:18:00.000-04:00College is highly over-rated, especially in this a...College is highly over-rated, especially in this age, when liberal extremists have turned most of them into left-wing reeducation camps. They don't teach you how to think, they teach you what to think. If people were taught how to think, liberals would be an endangered species. The only real reason to attend college is that high-paying employers demand it. That's the only reason I bothered to get a degree. I got this job and am now making a six-figure salary simply because I went to college. My experience and skills played a very small part. But that degree doesn't contribute one whit to my job as a broadcast journalist. If those restrictions weren't in place, your time would be better spent in a trade school or in the military. The primary function of college as to serve as a money-machine for elitist professors, who are more interested in hawking their books than in teaching. If you doubt the tenuous link between IQ, a college education and common sense, all you have to do is see a MENSA bumper sticker next to a Kerry/Edwards sticker.<BR/><BR/>People with high IQs and a college education do stupid things all the time. Just look at the DNC.<BR/><BR/>Don't put yourself down because you are "uneducated." I'd rather employ a person with a good head on his shoulders than a person who waves a sheepskin as proof of his competence any day.Lone Rangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13278448546799358207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130075610487642432005-10-23T09:53:00.000-04:002005-10-23T09:53:00.000-04:00Well, anon, at least I'm not the only one. You dem...Well, anon, at least I'm not the only one. You demonstrated that nicely.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130074549237131962005-10-23T09:35:00.000-04:002005-10-23T09:35:00.000-04:00It's not your lack of education that makes people ...It's not your lack of education that makes people think you're unintelligent. It's what you post! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130038819205583362005-10-22T23:40:00.000-04:002005-10-22T23:40:00.000-04:00No s---, Mark. That's part of it, too, in most cas...No s---, Mark. That's part of it, too, in most cases. <BR/><BR/>I for dang sure want my Bird's professors telling her what to think about chemistry, for example. Hell, I wanted 'em to tell her what to think about government and history, too -- and they did, and she being a smart girl, then started to have opinions of her own, sometimes in agreement with her profs, sometimes in disagreement with them.<BR/><BR/>For a student in college, whether you agree or disagree with the professor usually has nothing to do with whether you do well in a class. (Usually, because there are some exceptions.)<BR/><BR/>The problem isn't evil professors who have opinions. Of course they do. It's stupid students who want to snooze through class, blow off studying and still pass a class, without learning to think on their own at all. Screw them. They can work at McDonalds.<BR/><BR/>--ERErudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130038059382706372005-10-22T23:27:00.000-04:002005-10-22T23:27:00.000-04:00Trixie, I apologize if that is the way I came off....Trixie, I apologize if that is the way I came off.<BR/><BR/>That certainly is not my attitude, nor is it my intention to infer any sort of superiority based upon what I have, or have not learned.<BR/><BR/>Please forgive me for leaving that impression.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130033195872483372005-10-22T22:06:00.000-04:002005-10-22T22:06:00.000-04:00Unfortunately many schools teach students what to ...Unfortunately many schools teach students what to think rather than how to think.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130030406732462692005-10-22T21:20:00.000-04:002005-10-22T21:20:00.000-04:00The most important thing you learn in college is h...The most important thing you learn in college is how to learn, which is different from learning how to read, or how to memorize, or how to (fill in the blank).<BR/><BR/>Not everyone who gets a degree comes out of college having learned to learn, though. And not everyone must go to college to learn how to learn. <BR/><BR/>Ergo, college teaches you how to learn a certain way -- gives you an important credential.<BR/><BR/>For example, I learned how to learn like others who studied political science, and economics and journalism -- and as a graduate student, I learned how to learn like other historians. And that is all important for communicating well with others in those disciplines.<BR/><BR/>And discipline is a key word, too. Learning on your own is fine. But unless one is disciplined, one learns haphazardly -- and there's nothing wrong with that.<BR/><BR/>But those within academic discplines will discount, rightly in some cases but not in all, those who have not bothered to learn how a certain discipline thinks yet try to participate in serious discussions within those disciplines. <BR/><BR/>Journalism is more of a trade than an academic discpline, but I get hacked when people who have neither studied journalism nor practiced it are so quick to pass judgment on those of us who do.<BR/><BR/>Political science? Eh, its an oxymoron, and I've never "practiced" it. Sae for economics.<BR/><BR/>History? I am a serious historian, although "seriouser" historians -- those with Ph.D.s or who have published boks -- would scoff at my mere master's degree and my journal publications.<BR/><BR/>It's like trying to play football without knowing the rules. Anyone can throw and catch a football, and tackle and block and run around a field. But you have to know the rules of football to play a football game.<BR/><BR/>--ERErudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130030265959129662005-10-22T21:17:00.000-04:002005-10-22T21:17:00.000-04:00Mark, don't mistake inherent "intelligence" to mea...Mark, don't mistake inherent "intelligence" to mean "great knowledge." That's not what intelligence is. If someone has the ability to learn and chooses not to, that's no greater talent than someone who could sing, but refuses to try.Trixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04405956286050242058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130029930718365232005-10-22T21:12:00.000-04:002005-10-22T21:12:00.000-04:00I know a little about everything, but I don't know...I know a little about everything, but I don't know everything about anything.<BR/><BR/>One thing I mentioned but thought better of it and erased it, was this. <BR/><BR/>Last Christmas, My son 16, and I teamed up in a game of Trivial Pursuit against my genius brother and his son, who is finished with his Doctorate in education at NYU, except for turning in his thesis, and my son and I won. I have never lost a game of Trivial Pursuit.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1130007278050694292005-10-22T14:54:00.000-04:002005-10-22T14:54:00.000-04:00Tugboat:I am going to post on this topic again her...Tugboat:<BR/>I am going to post on this topic again here even if it puts me at risk again for being disparaged because of a lack of understanding. You did not grasp what I said previously. Anyway, whatever.<BR/><BR/>Mark:<BR/>You are drawing the wrong relationship between "intelligence" and "education." You are also incorrectly setting parameters around what "education" means.<BR/><BR/>Look up the definitions. Intelligence is the CAPACITY to learn. You can be exceedingly intelligent and still not know a damned thing. However, you cannot be educated without having a degree of intelligence. "Educated" means having gone through some formal training and instruction.<BR/><BR/>You could be very intelligent, Mark, but unless that is applied to learning, it is a hollow and meaningless description. <BR/><BR/>Mark, you are not uneducated and it is disingenous the way you continue to refer to yourself as such. What you probably mean to say is that you are not degreed. That is a choice. You could choose differently.<BR/><BR/>We are ALL uneducated about many subjects. I don't know anyone in the world who has submitted to training on every single thing there is to learn and know in the world. <BR/><BR/>Tugboat, again what ticked me off about your previous statements was that you seemed to be wearing your lack of degree as not only a badge of honor, but a symbol of superiority, as though what YOU have learned was earned at a higher personal cost than what someone with a degree has learned. There is nothing easier, harder, or better about either approach. Whether you go to college or not, one still has to figure out how to make a living and function in the world. In most cases, college education is merely a form of vocational training. It just opens the doors to other vocations where a certain set of skills and information are required. Do I want my doctor to be highly educated? You better believe it. But that doesn't mean there aren't MANY jobs where that type of training is unnecessary. Just don't try putting me down because I DID get a degree and we'll be fine.Trixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04405956286050242058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1129995190850819442005-10-22T11:33:00.000-04:002005-10-22T11:33:00.000-04:00I recently got into a heated discussion with a com...I recently got into a heated discussion with a commentator on another blog by saying that I got my education "the hard way."<BR/><BR/>This commentator explained to me in no uncertain terms that college was very hard work, and nobody handed them anything. (As if figuring out everything that you need to know when you need to know it over the course of your life is easy, and means that you were handed this knowlege when you were forced to seek out everything that you have learned from whatever sources you could locate.)<BR/><BR/>Formal Education is a very good thing, and I would encourage everyone to get all of it that you possibly can, but but it is by no means the end-all be-all, and by absolutely no means a measure of intelligence. <BR/><BR/>How many people are sitting around with a college degree, and are paying off a huge amount of college debt by working in a feild which is totally unrelated to their degree?tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1129994544134787322005-10-22T11:22:00.000-04:002005-10-22T11:22:00.000-04:00Tug. Thanks. the misspelling was a result of blogg...Tug. Thanks. the misspelling was a result of blogger spellcheck. I had fixed it before i saw your comment. I must have been fixing it when you commented. I am actually a great speller.<BR/><BR/>And I meant "formal" education.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1129994182445311792005-10-22T11:16:00.000-04:002005-10-22T11:16:00.000-04:00Mark, think about this for a moment.What is colleg...Mark, think about this for a moment.<BR/><BR/>What is college? Do college students not go and listen to lecture all day by educated people, test in order to prove their knowledge, and recieve their degree based upon how much of that knowledge they can prove that they have retained?<BR/><BR/>How much talk radio have you listened to over the course of your life?<BR/>Is this not lectures on Civics and Government, among other subjects, by the thinkers of the day?<BR/><BR/>Have you retained any knowledge from all of that?<BR/><BR/>Have you learned anything by your own research into various subjects?<BR/><BR/>I would contend that just because you do not have a degree from an Institution of Higher learning, does not mean that you are not educated.<BR/><BR/>Not being a college graduate puts you in the company of other uneducated failures such as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Sam Walton, Colonel Sanders, Rush Limbaugh, and in my opinion, one of the greatest minds in the history of the human race, Tugboatcapn.<BR/>(That opinion MAY be a little biased, and subject to discussion...)<BR/><BR/>Education ain't what you did, it's what you KNOW.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1129993263924613072005-10-22T11:01:00.000-04:002005-10-22T11:01:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.com