tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post112139364436309660..comments2024-03-25T04:46:46.000-04:00Comments on Casting Pearls Before Swine: I Respond to an ObjectionMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121488746367986242005-07-16T00:39:00.000-04:002005-07-16T00:39:00.000-04:00Wordsmith, How about the "Christian" accusation wi...Wordsmith, How about the "Christian" accusation with which we are constantly being hammered?<BR/>No more vile a curse can the left hurl at you than that, even though it doesn't seem really that bad to me.<BR/>I love it when I get called a "Christian Right Wing Conservative." I think that pretty much sums me up...tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121487400702377512005-07-16T00:16:00.000-04:002005-07-16T00:16:00.000-04:00Dang! You bucking for a pulitzer, Wordsmith?Dang! You bucking for a pulitzer, Wordsmith?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121482378888282212005-07-15T22:52:00.000-04:002005-07-15T22:52:00.000-04:00I've only skimmed these posts, so my apologies if ...I've only skimmed these posts, so my apologies if I speak what's already been mentioned or dealt about. <BR/><BR/>I, myself, get confused with labels and I don't think everyone is in total agreement with the definitions of the labels...which is part of the problem. For some, there is no distinction between liberal and Democrat...or liberal and leftist. For others, the difference is glaring. <BR/><BR/>Tammy Bruce calls herself a classical liberal (or classic liberal)....Zell Miller will call himself a JFK and Roosevelt Democrat; then there are neo-conservatives...South Park Republicans...and so on.<BR/><BR/>As far as taking offense to being labeled, what people must also understand is that by being called liberal or conservative or Democrat or Republican, is that they have to acknowledge and appreciate the positions and ideologies that those groups are identified with. They should not be dirty words...simply words to be able to categorize and classify so that we can communicate with one another. You might be a liberal, but have to acknowledge that what you feel like you are being attacked on IS a liberal position....or something reflective of the general consensus of the liberal ideology.<BR/><BR/>This goes for the conservative label as well. I hear "religious right" all the time, like it's a dirty word. I have to acknowledge that there are several positions taken by conservatives that do have its influence from religion; even though I am not a religious conservative.<BR/><BR/>And of course, with all this said, no one will ever fit into one neat tidy category to deal with all of our various quirks and varying degrees of beliefs. We are a mixture of many thoughts and feelings and ideals. But it is helpful to use labels and be identified with labels, so long as we also understand their limitations and fallacies.The WordSmith from Nantuckethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15937868119894243815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121477444647856542005-07-15T21:30:00.000-04:002005-07-15T21:30:00.000-04:00LOL. Tug, I'll accept that!LOL. Tug, I'll accept that!Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121475472129419512005-07-15T20:57:00.000-04:002005-07-15T20:57:00.000-04:00Except for you, ER. You are not actually a "Libera...Except for you, ER. You are not actually a "Liberal" as I define the word.<BR/>You are a "Left Leaning Person."<BR/>I mean it as a compliment...tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121475284891419632005-07-15T20:54:00.000-04:002005-07-15T20:54:00.000-04:00I can think of a few names to call them, Mark, but...I can think of a few names to call them, Mark, but I don't think they would like these names any better than "Liberal"...tugboatcapnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751281215697965077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121464992590803932005-07-15T18:03:00.000-04:002005-07-15T18:03:00.000-04:00Madmustard, thank you.Come over to my place someti...Madmustard, thank you.<BR/><BR/>Come over to my place sometime! It's ... different ... ;-)Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121459840769595662005-07-15T16:37:00.000-04:002005-07-15T16:37:00.000-04:00You nailed it ER. You've got it exactly right. I...You nailed it ER. You've got it exactly right. It is the context of comments that offend us more than the comments themselves. You can more easily accept criticisms from your friends than you would ever tolerate from a stranger. It’s human nature.<BR/><BR/>I have witnessed this spectacle at many of the blogs I have visited. People will talk past each other, never considering the arguments but only responding to the insults. It soon becomes an all CAPS name-calling match that will make you wonder why you wanted to visit the site, in the first place. <BR/><BR/>ER, I have read enough of your posts and those of Mark to know that you guys are different. You guys are okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121434443689932402005-07-15T09:34:00.000-04:002005-07-15T09:34:00.000-04:00The L-word is sort of like the N-word, ain't it? I...The L-word is sort of like the N-word, ain't it? I mean, a black rapper in a song can throw around the word, but say some 80-year-old white guy from Mississippii who has a lifetime of habits to overcome says it, all hell breaks loose.<BR/><BR/>Same with the R-word. Another redneck can call me a redneck and that's one thing; any friend who gets what I mean by it, or just accepts that I use it to describe some of my ways, fine; but let some damn pinko-urban-latte-sipping-Hollywood-worshipping-pointy-headed-UN-first-peacenik-neo-hippy-lefty-freak call me a redneck, and well, s/he's probably fixin' to get an ass-whupping. (Sorry Mama Maness).<BR/><BR/>I mean, there is the proverbial line down the middle -- mainly of issues, but I acknowledge there is a swiggly line that measures off left and right. I am just a smidgen to the left of it. I can shake hands with people who are just to the right of it. And sometimes we trade places.<BR/><BR/>But if I have to declare where I stand, it's just to the left of the line. But that don't mean I'm a leftist, really, not in the sense that most people mean it, any more than a standard-issue country club Republican is a right-winger.<BR/><BR/>I am, however, a Democrat. A conservative Democrat -- which confuses the labels all over again.<BR/><BR/>For more information on what THAT means go to http://eruditeredneck.blogspot.com/2005/05/conservative-democrat.html at my place, from May 15. That'll explain it.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121430141849048812005-07-15T08:22:00.000-04:002005-07-15T08:22:00.000-04:00No one needs my permission to visit my place. All ...No one needs my permission to visit my place. All are welcome. I do have one rule about comments though. No, 2 rules: <BR/>1. Try very hard not to swear. I like to think my mother reads my blog.<BR/>2. If your comment is going to be a personal attack against me or anyone else, or if it contains hateful innuendo and/or name calling, I will not delete it, but I will ignore it, and not respond. <BR/>After all, it is a free country and we are all civilized human beings. Well, most of us anyway.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121405422267861902005-07-15T01:30:00.000-04:002005-07-15T01:30:00.000-04:00MarkFirst off, I obviously offended you by a state...Mark<BR/><BR/>First off, I obviously offended you by a statement that I made on a<A HREF="http://crawfordslist.blogspot.com/2005/07/dirty-plot-or-accidental-genius.html" REL="nofollow"> post </A>at Crawford’s List. Please accept my apology; I should have not made that remark about President Bush. The rule of thumb should be, wait an hour, review and edit before you hit the send button. I am sorry.<BR/><BR/>My disagreements with the president and his administration are really my perceptions of their lack of competence not intelligence. In 2000 I had hopes for this administration because they brought some heavy hitters to the government departments. After 9/11 I felt sure they would protect our interests and act prudently. My unease began with the run-up to the Iraq war and my faith in them has steadily diminished ever since. <BR/><BR/>I am an Independent, fiscal conservative and social moderate. You do not have to be a liberal to oppose a Republican or a right-winger to oppose a Democrat. I have done both. I vote for those candidates who more closely match my moderate centrist positions. <BR/><BR/>I do enjoy reading blogs from both the left and right and there are even a few in the middle, just not as many. As far as ‘hate speech’ goes, I have seen a goodly amount from both sides of the political spectrum and it ain’t pretty.<BR/><BR/>You do host a good blog and I would like to return if I may.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121401461201853262005-07-15T00:24:00.000-04:002005-07-15T00:24:00.000-04:00I used to be a Liberal, but there are things that ...I used to be a Liberal, but there are things that caused me to question my beliefs. Living in a Ghetto for 5 years was an eye opening experience and from that i learned that taxing more and more to give to people who abuse it and then complain that they aren't getting enough is enough to turn my stomach. That's one. then there's abortion. Never any reason to kill babies. The fruitless efforts to end poverty and the drug problem with social programs doesn't work. Neither does trying to reason with murderous terrorists that have only the annilation of anyone that isn't muslim. And there's so many more reasons I changed allegiancies. add to all that the fact that non conservatives don't seem to have a better solution than what the conservatives have but still feel the need to complain and play the blame game..... ok I'm gonna shut up nowMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121399078814680662005-07-14T23:44:00.000-04:002005-07-14T23:44:00.000-04:00I don't like the term Liberal (with a big L) eithe...I don't like the term Liberal (with a big L) either........I much prefer Leftist.<BR/><BR/>Conservatives are the real liberals (with a little l).<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, most either don't know the difference, or don't have a clue at all and just follow the crowd they've been following since birth (Right or Left).Poison Perohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03719658237554227638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121398106176556632005-07-14T23:28:00.000-04:002005-07-14T23:28:00.000-04:00Hi Mark-- just visiting from over at Crawford's bl...Hi Mark-- just visiting from over at Crawford's blog to see what you had to say to Sheila. I'm not sure what got Sheila's dander up as I didn't notice anything particularly irritating about what you said (save that we disagree about Rove).<BR/><BR/>In any case, I do have some thoughts to add to this discussion, if I may, as a liberal, offer my perspective.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem being called a liberal because I do, in fact, often hold a liberal point of view and tend to identify with liberal values. However, there are times where I get annoyed, or shall I say offended, at the use of the term "liberal" when coming from someone that I suspect is conservative (or republican):<BR/><BR/>1) when it is clear to me that the use of the word "liberal" was intended to be hurled as an insult and not just used as a descriptive term.<BR/><BR/>2) When the use of the term "liberal" is used to dismiss or reject out of hand an otherwise completely valid point. <BR/><BR/>It has been suggested, for example, several times on Crawford's blog that those who think Rove did something wrong or illegal are just "liberals" and should be dismissed. I find that somewhat offensive given that the reason I have a problem with the Rove/Plame situation is that I care a lot about national security and happen to think the media is slightly out of control (neither of which are generally considered liberal issues). <BR/><BR/>In any case, I think the problem you might be running in to is that liberals don't mind being called liberals, they just aren't interested in having the word hurled at them as an insult. just because the word liberal isn't generally an offensive word doesn't mean it can't be used in an offensive way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121395073520866542005-07-14T22:37:00.000-04:002005-07-14T22:37:00.000-04:00Well, as I say, I don't know what else to call the...Well, as I say, I don't know what else to call them, especially when they behave like liberals.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121394462356716762005-07-14T22:27:00.000-04:002005-07-14T22:27:00.000-04:00I think you're right, ER.I think you're right, ER.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12507451.post-1121394110887522692005-07-14T22:21:00.000-04:002005-07-14T22:21:00.000-04:00Re, "I guess he believes himself to be liberal on ...Re, "I guess he believes himself to be liberal on some things, but not on all of them."<BR/><BR/>Exactly.<BR/><BR/>But the difference, I think, and the reason that you don't see how the blanket label of "liberal" torques some of us off, is that there is probably no circumstance or issue on which you would object to being called "conservative.'<BR/><BR/>Get the difference? To me, "liberal" describes particular stances; to you, "conservative" seems to describe your whole world view, so you would never reject the label.<BR/><BR/>--ERErudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.com